Will it make you log on?

We found ourselves in a fifth COVID lockdown over the last couple of weeks. I think the characteristics of the Delta variant will mean frequent lock downs from now on until someone makes the decision to move into the COVID endgame.

No one is really talking about the endgame here. The point where everyone who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. When the hospitals and funeral parlours are prepared as they ever will be. The point where they let COVID spread.

There will be a harsh reality at that point. A statistically horrific number of people will die. Maybe 1 in 500, or 1 in 1,000, or 1 in 2,500. It will be thousands of deaths. However – society will cope and function. Most people won’t personally know someone who dies of COVID. That would be the brutal reality of it.

In the meanwhile, we will be in lockdown limbo for the foreseeable future. On the plus side both my wife and I have been fully vaccinated now. The statistical odds should be in our favour, particularly as the Government has already ordered supplies for a 3rd booster shot next year.

The last lockdown gave me some extra time in EVE. This time I’ve just been watching the Olympics. I log in for the daily rewards, but I don’t enter the station. I have effectively stopped playing EVE. I don’t know if that will be permanent or not.

So why am I posting today? To rant about the COVID situation here? No – what triggered my post was the latest limited daily login campaign giveaways.

235M ISK for subscribed accounts if you log in for 5 days over The Grand Heist event.

I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and will endeavour to remember to log in to claim it. 235M ISK is still a noteworthy amount for me.

Maybe CCP is hoping it encourages people to log in and do something with the ISK in an easy come / easy go manner. I am not sure what to think.

I do know I preferred the old days where you would get skins that you could inject, trade, or store away in hope of a windfall years later, instead of just ISK. I find it all very odd.


For around the 20th time, COVID19 has escaped hotel quarantine in Australia, and the city I live in finds itself back in its fourth lockdown as they pursue the eradication of community transfer.  On the bright side there is suddenly a much greater interest in vaccinations and the opening of eligibility (my age group is now allowed to get them, so I am booked in on Saturday), and I have 20+ extra hours free a week because I am not transporting the kids too and from school, band, karate, roller-skating, hockey, or the myriad of other activities they are involved in.  The result has also been that I have undocked in EVE a few times.  Go COVID.

I do not think I have remarked, but I have finished my move away from Domain.  I do not have a single asset or jump clone there anymore.  One of the last things I moved was my BPO collection.  It has an in-client value of more than 5B ISK, but that does not factor in that almost everyone is fully researched.  I took all of them in one trip using an Interceptor. 

I would not like to calculate how long the entire move took me.  With 38 jumps between my old and new home, it was a laborious chore.

CCP did finally introduce the ability to store multiple Jump Clones in the same NPC station.  I moved some 25+ clones across several accounts into just a couple stations.  That makes the management and use of them much easier, although I am mindful of the danger of a Triglavian invasion version 2 and possibly losing a heap of clones.  At the moment, convenience trumps risk.

With the latest patch that went in last night there are four new gates in EVE.

Hykkota (The Forge) ↔ Ahbazon (Genesis)

Irgrus (Metropolis) ↔ Pakhshi (Genesis)

Kenninck (Placid) ↔ Eggheron (Solitude)

Saminer (Tash-Murkon) ↔ F7-ICZ (Stain)

I checked in game, but it seemed to have made no difference to the Hi-Sec route between Amarr and Jita, or Amarr and my new home.

I did not involve myself in the gathering of resources for the new gates.  I did not even manage to get all the login bonuses, which might be the first time that has happened for an event.

What I did notice in my latest COVID endorsed undocking was the price of ship hulls.  With CCP’s continued reset of the game economics the humble Battleship is now up around 300M for most hulls.  My long-term favourite ship – the Orca, is now up around the 2B ISK mark, and the humble Freighter around 3B ISK.  That is a big step up for newer players.  It also makes the Hauling or Roaming Home Orca that much bigger of a target.  It doesn’t really matter what you carry – you are a juicy killboard padding target empty. 

I think I have 4 Orca’s in my fleet.  Most would have been purchased at around the 600-800M ISK mark.  All are now worth 2-3 times more.  It does seem to be the way.  The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

There are rumours the lock downs will ease on Friday.  I will see if I can squeeze in some more undocking before then.

EVE’s 18th Birthday

Another 7 weeks passed between posts – where does the time go? I am not playing EVE, but it is not just EVE’s fault. Real life is smashing me to smithereens. I have been saying that for years, but it just keeps on getting worse. The extra job I reluctantly took on before Christmas has resulted in a stupid amount of additional hours, far too much I am not paid for. My wife – whose scheduling of our kids lives long ago passed child abuse levels, has gone berserk. There is no room for EVE. There is no room for me. It is all just very unpleasant.

On a more cheery note, EVE has now turned 18. In Australia it can buy and consume alcohol. I wonder if it would be the type to be responsible, or go off the rails?

There are 8 days of daily login birthday gifts, including (apparently) 450,000 Skill points if you have a paid account.

Worth launching to the log in screen to collect.

EVE in a Browser

EVE Anywhere – which allows you to play EVE in a browser, has moved into Beta.


It does not require a download, it works in the four main browsers, it runs in the cloud, and displays at 1080p and 60FPS.

The Beta is only available to US players at the moment who meet connection speed and browser requirements, which counts me out.

There are a few interesting comments.

CCP indicated in the early trial that first time EVE players using EVE Anywhere stay for longer, with higher numbers converting into full-time pilots.

CCP also said this Beta test will explore “the potential of wider availability in the future”. That does not entirely inspire confidence. A surprising number of CCP’s endeavours never get past the Beta stage.

While Beta testers will get to try EVE Anywhere for free, it is apparent that if released, Alpha accounts will need to pay something to access it.

I think this feature could have a surprisingly positive impact. If you have plans and goals and are playing the game regularly, it could be a very useful tool.

Sorry February

It has been 7 weeks or so since my last post. I’m not sure there has been a gap that long since I started this blog back in 2011.

I’ve not been playing EVE. CCP put back in that abysmal “feature” of seeing your ship shoot through the warp tunnel. While they have improved it over the first iteration, I still find it an unnecessary, jarring immersion breaker. It irritates me, and leaves me reluctant to log in.

I have at times done the daily login campaign, but I mostly close the client before entering a station. I have not been getting a good return on my two active EVE subscriptions.

I also fell even further behind in my EVE related reading. So what did I miss? Discounting their sale price to Pearl Abyss by 47%, Expert Systems, Skill Point Resurgence, a new quadrant called Reign (is it coming to an end?). Oh CCP, it is like I never left.

My absence from EVE is not all CCP’s fault. My wife has stretched the family schedule to well beyond sanity, and there is little time for EVE. Well – no time at all.

I should write something positive. Umm. The colours on the new monitors are more vibrant than the old – so it gives the EVE login screen a visual boost.


My view as I sat down to start this blog entry last night –

The new monitors arrived early.  I am now running six screens, three 4K and 3 FHD.  Windows and some applications do not handle mixed high resolution displays all that well, so it takes a bit of tweaking to get things to work nicely.

If it is of interest to anyone, I set the 4K screens with 125% scaling, use the NVIDIA Control Panel to align them, DisplayFusion to manage having different backgrounds on some of the screens, Desksoft’s WindowManager to automatically move and resize certain applications, and BarRaider’s Stream Deck Window Mover to manually move and resize certain applications.

I also updated the TV in my study – from the old 32” FHD to a 43” 4K, along with an upgrade to 4K Blu-Ray and a small but effective Bose Soundbar.  The result was better than expected.  I have enjoyed watching the last couple Cricket Tests on it.

A substantial amount of research and patience went these upgrades – comparing, measuring, selecting stands, watching prices, and waiting for sales.  Strangely I have COVID to thank for the upgrades, and the substantial savings made last year on expenses like petrol, tolls, entertainment, and travel.

To juxtapose that story, my mother just came out of the hospital today.  She got a fever, but her doctor refused to see her until she had a COVID test.  By the time that was done and came back negative a few days later her infection had turned into Sepsis.  I do not make light of the impact COVID has.

The new screen setup is a very pleasant and productive place to sit, particularly for running multiple EVE clients.

I noticed this difference between my Omega Accounts:

And the Alpha Account I keep:

It looks like you cannot use a client theme with an Alpha Account.  I would have thought making that limitation would have taken more effort than it was worth.

I really do not have anything to report regards EVE.  I am still logging in most days, but not for long and I am not doing anything of note.  It lets me occasionally have some mindless downtime, and sometimes that is all it needs to do.

Presents to myself

We went two months without a locally acquired COVID19 case in our state – but that came to an end yesterday. While it was to be expected, the news felt like a palpable physical hit. Only three of the last nine months have had any semblance of normalcy, and the thought of yet more lockdowns is extremely unpleasant. Now we wait to see if the contract tracing systems have been fixed enough, and how much luck we collectively have, or do not have.

Christmas has come and gone. Presents to myself included another 12 months sub on my main and making use of the discounted 3 Month Sub / 3 Months Multi-Character training bundle CCP has been advertising. I am using the time to flesh out some training on my Alts and complete their move from Domain to Essence to meet back up with my Main account.

Almost all my Pilots have accumulated pools of unallocated Skill Points. None of these were purchased, but all handed out by CCP from free logon, undock and event bonuses. Most have more than 500K, with a couple into the Millions. I am surprised at how impactful these points are. Several Alts ingested a dozen odd skills each, and it took very few points to immediately increase their ranks from 0 to 3.

Once again CCP has provided a mechanism to create a unique video of your 2020 EVE year.


This time you are limited to only one pilot on each account, and a selection of 5 topics out of a dozen or more. I had no issue with generating or downloading the video.

As you might have seen remarked, the statistics do not seem entirely accurate. My main gained 20M Skill points for the year – in the top 4% of players. (That is the consequence of almost always having +5 learning implants in.) I was within the top 6% of players for Stargate Jumps, Systems visited, and warp drive activations. I was in the top 9% of players for time spent in space, and (cough) the top 3% of players for time spent sitting in station. You could be mistaken for thinking I was a particularly active EVE player in 2020 – but you would be wrong.

The second video I generated was for my Industrial Alt on my second account. They gained only 4.2M Skill points for the year – which was in the top 22% of players. They were in the top 27% of players for systems visited – at only 24. They spent only 7 hours in space in 2020 – which was in the top 30% of players.

So – if I was being kind, the statistics suggest 3 pilots per account, with 2 alt pilots rarely being used. As such if you were doing anything with a pilot, they tended to be reported as being in the top 30%. More likely there were a whole heap of pilots considered as active in 2020 that did not play for much of the year.

I find the video an interesting idea – but it brings up more questions than answers.

I did hit an interesting hurdle when trying to ensure my Main account had a years’ worth of training in his skill queue. I have seriously run out of things to train. Every skill I use is at rank 5. I scrounged and added a bunch of skills that I have no interest in and are not likely to ever use. Arguably I should switch training to the Alt on that account – but I am ashamed to admit I like accumulating Skill Points for the sake of a High Skill Point total.

A Stack of Probes

Life has continued to open-up here.  We have had 40+ days without a locally acquired COVID19 case in our state, with restrictions being further eased.  It has however made me extraordinarily busy.  The kids summer sports have started up, while the winter sports they missed during lockdown have put on special summer programs.  Additionally, my Son started his first part time job, my daughter has been doing extra performance hockey training, and I am onboarding for a second part time IT job.  Scheduling conflicts galore.

My sanctuary at home continues to evolve, with the next upgrade (thanks to Cyber Monday Sales) due to arrive in the new year.

I am still dabbling away at EVE.  I mostly fly the Kikimora, Pacifier, Noctis or Ikitursa.  I find the Daily Campaigns (when you get skill points for killing NPC rats) tends to get me undocked and active in game.  The Daily Login Bonuses – not so much. 

I am enjoying Empires of EVE 2.  Early on it discusses the symbiotic relationship between the wolves and sheep in EVE, their dislike for each other, and how they need each other.  That is a topic I have covered several times before.  There was however one line that stood out. 

“CCP Games vowed to judge no one’s playstyle.”

That is certainly no longer the case.  For a while now CCP has been trying to force Capsuleers into play styles that their statistics indicate generate the most income.

I was listening to a conversation last night about the impact Quantum Cores will have on Structure Ownership amongst the sheep in game.  Ruination is the thought. We shall have to see how much of the current in-game activity relates to CCP’s cleverness, and how much is due to the COVID19 lockdowns and the latest War on the Bees.

I note CCP have finally brought in T2 Salvage Drones.  They are one of those things I thought I always wanted, but now that I can have them, I do not see a use for them in my current fleet.

Another small change I have found far more useful is that recalled Probes now automatically stack in the Cargo Hold.

Empires of EVE Volume 2

This arrived today.

I supported Andrew Groen’s Kickstarter project back in May 2018.


Andrew did a good job keeping backers informed on what was happening since then, and so far I am pleased with the results.

It seems to read well – although I take a lot of my EVE related knowledge for granted. I am a little suspect of the spine. It creaks and groans as you turn pages, and feels like it might not have enough glue. I will have to see how it stands up over time, but it is not as if I am likely to read through it too many times.


CCP has restarted its partner program again. 


The rewards you receive are worthwhile, and there are clear metrics that you must adhere to depending on if you are a Streamer, Video Creator, do Podcasts, develop third party tools or have a blog / fan site.

It will be interesting to see how many Blog sites are added – assuming there is some list you can check out.  I have not looked for new EVE blogs for some time, but most of the old ones have gone silent.  There are exceptions – the venerable Ancient Gaming Noob stands out, Eveoganda is regularly updated, The Nosy Gamer is still around.  Others post once or twice a month such as A Missioneer in EVE, or come and go, such as MarketsforISK which is back to regular updates.

I applied once to be a Fan site many years ago.  I have made a joke since about how I never heard back from them.  While that might have been by design, soon after I applied CCP let go the staff members behind the program.  The program has been looked at in fits and starts since, but this seems the most encompassing update for years.

To be an EVE Partner Blog, your site should have at least 5,000 monthly readers and had 2 detailed or 4 smaller EVE related blog posts per month, for the previous 3 months.  I had not looked at the stats on my Blog for some time but glancing at them today I do not come close to that requirement.

Meanwhile I am still active in EVE.

I ran some of the Crimson Harvest Sites (they took too long)

Several times a week I will do some mining or clear my local system of all its exploration and combat sites.

I had a look at the upgraded Jita 4-4.

And I took part in the Jita 4-4 unveiling daily rewards.

I also followed the frequent updates CCP has been making to the game – but do not tend to mention them as they have not impacted the Hermit play style or the ships that I fly.

No place for logic

I think I last mentioned COVID19 on this Blog back in July.  I rambled on about the statistics of the situation we found ourselves in locally.  When I am anxious about something, that is what I try to do.  Build context by gathering information, throw in a dash of compassion, and respond in a measured and logically way.  Talking about COVID19 however can be a fool’s errand, with reason and empathy often thrown to the wind.

Back then we were heading into our second lockdown.  We are still in a version of that lockdown today – restricted in how far we can move, reasons we can leave the house, what shops are open, and who we can mix with.  We have heavily suppressed the community transfer of COVID19, but it feels tenuous.  We are relying on 6.3 Million people to all individually make the right choices while collectively hoping on luck.

On a personal level, my household is doing OK.  We have all been able to continue work and study comfortably and reliably from home.  Life has been able to move forward, be it a slower pace.  Despite being so fortunate, and with some guilt to admit, it has been wearisome and stressful.

With Hi-Sec in a more peaceful state since the Triglavians took off with a bunch of solar systems, I have been able to use EVE as a distraction again.  I have been able to undock and do some mindless mining.  I have been able to roam around new areas with less fear of stumbling into an NPC death.  I have been able to enjoy EVE a little again.

An Offline Gate – during the creation of the Pochven region
The colours of the Amarr / Jita run have changed
Mining can be relaxing again

I noticed an interesting remark in one of the recent in-game news articles.


“.. the severing of the Niarja-Kaaputenen corridor remains a matter of deep concern .. Exploratory planning for establishing a new primary civilian stargate link is said to have begun but there has been no public commitment from the Amarr Empire or Caldari State as yet ..”

Maybe we will get some new Star Gates to bring Amarr and Jita closer again? 

The article also alluded to Null Sec bounty changes, which was confirmed in a subsequent DEV Blog:


Soon Null Sec NPC Bounty amounts will be hit by a system multiplier.  If a system is being heavily ratted, the payments will be reduced.  If a system has a high level of player combat and deaths, the payments will increase.  If no one is ratting, then the multiplier will stabilize at an equilibrium value. 

In a practical sense that will mean Null-Sec ratters will have to spread out more and overall will earn less in bounty payments.

It will be interesting to see what the political ramifications of this will be.  In the past Coalitions of Players owned huge sways of Null Sec, many left as empty buffer zones.  CCP made it more expensive to own systems, to try and free up some space for small groups in Null Sec.  The Coalitions did reduce their landholdings but made the regions they kept into fortresses; well protected under Super Umbrellas.  Now they are being told they will need more space again.

Dozens of Jumps too far

The state of Niarja and its 26 lost sister systems has been revealed.  They have all been disconnected from the New Eden Gate network and formed into their own Null Sec type region called Pochven. 

Pochven is owned by the Triglavian Collective and takes the form of a triangle shaped loop.  It has a bunch of unique aspects – visuals, NPCs, Gates and what not.  You can only get in and out of the region via Wormholes and filaments, although I think I read that you cannot use the internal gates if you do not have positive Triglavian standings. 

I was about to say that I am sure all the details will come out soon enough, but that is no longer a given.  In years past almost all the secrets of EVE were a Google search away, but that no longer seems the case.  I was guessing there might be less inclination to share, or more closed groups, or walls put up – but the truth might simply be the information is on Steams and Podcasts, sources I don’t generally bother with given their lack of succinctness.

Worryingly DOTLAN still does not have these map updates.  To get a better lay of the land I printed out all the tactical maps for regions that lost systems, plus everything along the new 45 jump Hi-Sec route between Amarr and Jita.  I dutifully crossed off all the stolen systems.  There were Hi-Sec links lost between Domain and The Citadel, Domain and Bleak Lands, Bleak Lands and Sinq Laison, and a jump from Molden Heath to Etherium Reach.  Inner Region travel was also messed up in several locations.  Depending on where you operate and how much attention you pay, it could have had major impacts on your game, or you might have been able to shrug it off and ignore.

I have spent a lot of time in and around Amarr and its markets these last few months.   The initial vibe I have had of the impact of Niarja’s loss has been a sales boost – possibly as individuals stocked up, and others destocked.  More recently however I’ve antidotally noticed stocks of some supplies had less market orders and less volumes than I would have expected.  Amarr obviously meets a need, but I am not sure it will maintain the stocks required to do so in the medium to long term.

With how I play EVE, I find the Amarr market insufficient, and the location now too far from Jita. 

I have been caravanning in my Exploration Orca around Essence and Genesis, undocked and earning ISK, looking for yet another new home.  I do not like the area as much as Domain, but it is not as annoying as Caldari space. I am fairly sure I have settled on a location but am in no rush to move my remaining assets.

3-4 Days

It turns out CCP provided an answer earlier than announced.

I was listening in to one of the EVE Down Under 2020 sessions before and a new Scope Video was shown. It warned that the gates into the systems lost to the Triglavian’s will likely be shutdown in 3 to 4 days, to protect the rest of the gate network.

I presume that means wormhole only access from then on.

I hope Woollari is still about and updates Dotlan when that happens.

Edit.. and it is up on YouTube now:


News at 18:00

If you have been paying attention to the Agency information you may have noticed that the Triglavians have slacked off on their invasions.

You may also have noticed the new backdrop on the character selection screen.

With great powers of deduction you might have suspected some sort of zenith was approaching. CCP will hopefully be providing an answer at Sunday 11 October at 18:00 UTC.


Overall the Triglavian invasion saw me doing less in game. I moved assets around and sold off lots, but I did not otherwise interact all that much with New Eden. It just wasn’t a mechanism / feature I thought much of. I’ve been waiting for it to finish.

Meanwhile WordPress has forced me to use their new post editor today. I’ve been ignoring it for as long as I could as my early impressions were not good. So far I have found it less intuitive and requiring more clicks to do basic things. Some of this will be overcome once I find where all the little configuration options I use are. Excuse me if this particular post is edited multiple times.

Drawn and Quartered

CCP continues its resource shake up, shake down, reduction, shortage, redistribution, meaningfulness, poverty, tears, thingamabob they have been doing for a while. They have now announced details of the resource distribution changes coming in Mid-October.


It is worth checking out if you do anything with minerals in the game.

It is a substantial shift, making various mined mineral’s exclusive to different security zones, and excluding others. Titanium for example will be found in Hi-Sec, but excluded from Low-Sec, Null-Sec or Wormholes. Hi-Sec however loses access to Isogen, Nocxium, Zydrine, Megacyte or Morphite.

There are additional changes to the number of asteroids you will find, and the volume of minerals found in them, which seem to be overall a further nerf.

CCP hopes to make players poorer, increase the destruction of mining ships, and make people less self-sufficient in harvesting their own minerals, forcing them to buy on the market.  That way the game and your decisions become more meaningful.

This all comes from their concern that Veteran players do not cry enough when they lose things.  While that appears true, I am guessing these changes will still make newer players cry more than older ones.  It might be easier if CCP just focused on making veteran players quit.

Peaked too soon?

There was an interesting article released by CCP today.


The Triglavian invasion will soon reach its finale.  The Kybernaut.space invasion site suggests 171 systems have been invaded, with 25 lost to the Triglavians.  I had assumed the invasion would last longer to be honest.

People who participated will get some clothing, the type determined by the pilots standing with Edencom or the Triglavians.

The article ended with this:

In further news, EDENCOM has released a statement urging all Capsuleers who currently live in systems conquered by Triglavian forces to relocate and find a new home immediately. The following systems are currently affected:

  • Ahtila
  • Angymonne
  • Archee
  • Arvasaras
  • Harva
  • Ichoriya
  • Ignebaener
  • Kaunokka
  • Kino
  • Komo
  • Konola
  • Kuharah
  • Nalvula
  • Nani
  • Niarja
  • Otanuomi
  • Otela
  • Raravoss
  • Sakenta
  • Skarkon
  • Senda
  • Tunudan
  • Urhinichi
  • Vale
  • Wirashoda


I remember reading a suggestion earlier that the Triglavian would destroy the Stargates on their conquered systems, meaning they would only be accessible via Wormholes.  Maybe those harvested Suns will blow up?  Will Niarja be lost to even the pirates?  More waiting around to see.


Another article released today was about the upcoming Rolling Thunder patch on September 22nd.



In that is the following little change:

DED LP Offers for all EDENCOM items have had LP cost reduced by 90%

I abandoned looking at the Edencom ships as the gun system was useless for solo play in the smaller hulls, and most of the supporting or large hull skill books were ridiculously expensive, or unavailable.  Hopefully after the patch and some time more people will be able to try them out.



Elmis turned 14 today.

That is 5,114 days of game time I have paid to CCP. Obviously an anomaly, as the Carebear Hermits are not in the demographic of players who stick around or spend money.

He has 304M SP.

That is an increase of 24M SP from last year, all from normal training and login bonus handouts.

He is currently training all the Small and Medium Weapon Specialization skills from Rank 4 to 5.

His training queue is 247 days long – a hodgepodge of nothing else specific.

He has around 120B ISK in cash and 15B ISK in assets (approximately).

His wealth has dropped around 15B ISK over the last year. While I made no effort to increase my wealth over this time, that drop gave me pause. Market fees and taxes played a part. I spent 1.5B ISK on those in just the last 30 days selling off assets. I burnt fuel running a couple structures. I made several charitable donations. I purchased several expensive skillbooks. I spent ISK on SKINs. The value of the assets I do have seem to have dropped, especially the PLEX. I guess it all really adds up.

I am doing whatever happens to interest me in game, mostly exploring the changes and additions as outlined in the patch notes. There is nothing I am particularly passionate about, but I have spent more time logged in this year than last.

My Bitter Vet level is probably unchanged from this time last year.

To 15?

I See NPCs

As I watched the NPC gate camp in Gammel there were a couple Triglavian aligned pilots that kept warping in and off grid. Each time the NPC’s made another kill, they would swoop down to loot and salvage the wreck and collect the body.

I wanted to see how much they were making from these kills, but none turned up on the Killboards. Many Pilots, Corporations or Alliances with a semblance of interest in PVP have their kills automatically uploaded to Killboards. The fact that these did not hints at the losses probably being skewed towards Newer Players / Traders / Mission Runners / Miners etc. In other words, Hi-Sec Carebears.

This is the direction of asset redistribution CCP seems to have been focused on for some time now.

The Killboards did show evidence of what I had seen (and read about) – of players gaming the NPCs. Just as Suicide Gankers draw off Concord from gates, there were repeated Corvette kills from the same pilots on gates suggesting players were artificially increasing the size of the NPC Gate Camps.

Looking at the salvaging destroyer losses (they flag themselves when they loot), I think most were collecting 1 to 10 Million from each wreck. Not brilliant money, but it would add up. There were enough 100+M drops recorded on gates to NPCs that I expect the looting could be randomly lucrative, and worthwhile over time. From the Destroyer fittings, it is relatively low cost and easy ISK.

As I flew around the Triglavian Minor Victory System I saw plenty of NPC’s camping stations and structures, and lots of their sentry guns anchored all over the place. They apparently lock quickly and do a lot of damage


They will effectively stop you doing much of anything in system unless you get positive standings with them – or have an Alt with positive standings to be able to move your assets out.

The Edencom Sentry guns were anchored all over the place in their systems. They were just as busy which would make them unworkable to live in if you had negative standings with them.


As I flew around these systems however, I was taken aback by just how many NPC’s were all over the place.

There were everywhere – all around the structures, in the belts, on the gates. They fought each other. Some shot at structures. They scanned or drained or goodness knows what anything near them. It was all terribly busy and left me with a vibe that was – I’m not sure how to describe it – off putting.

I am not sure I would enjoy living in a system owned by Edencom or the Triglavians.

Gate Spotting

I undocked again – this time to go do some sightseeing.

This is the gate to Mamenkhanar in Domain – an Edencom Fortress system.


This is the gate to Mista in Domain – an Edencom Minor Victory system.


This is the gate to Gammel in The Bleak Lands – a Triglavian Minor Victory system.


This is the gate to Niarja in Domain – a Triglavian Final Liminality system.


Aside the irrelevant differences of the first three being Constellation Gates and the last a Standard Gate, the flags and status icons almost look the same.  They all show a Triglavian Invasion in progress and a Hi-Sec Security Level. If you jump into them, they all open a warning dialog box.  The only difference is the icon showing a High Level of Capsuleer Violence on the Niarja Gate, which could in theory also be shown on any of the other gates.

I assume this ambiguous visual is a deliberate choice by CCP – despite each of those systems providing quite a different risk profile to jump into.


(The following assumes neutral standings to both Edencom and the Triglavians.)

Jumping into an Edencom Fortress System is relatively safe. There are some different structures and NPC’s about, but generally you can travel through the system by gate without much thought.

Jumping into an Edencom Minor Victory system is mostly safe – but not entirely. There tends to be a Triglavian patrol moving around them. If they come across you, they will attack. Reports and killboard records show this includes on Gates. The risk seems low but is there.

Jumping into a Triglavian Minor Victory system is riskier. There will usually be Triglavian Werpost’s on the gate (Sentry Guns), and often NPC Gate Camps. There was an NPC camp on the Gammei – Ronne gate which I watched for a while.  I am not sure of their aggression mechanism. I believe they attack unless you have positive standings. While I watched, this camp killed and podded four players – two in Industrials, one in a Procurer, and one in a Pod. Two other players were left alone – one in a Heron Frigate who sat on the gate for several minutes before jumping, and one in a Gnosis who crashed back to the gate, but with no evidence they were shot at.  I am guessing those two pilots had positive standings.

Above is that NPC Gate Camp in Gammei – they do not do things by halves.

Jumping into a Triglavian Final Liminality system is the equivalent of jumping into a Null Sec system (but devoid of Capitals ships). I need to get into a much cheaper clone before I go sightseeing in one of those, so I am not sure how the Triglavian NPC’s act. I have read a few comments that theses systems tend to be abandoned if out of the way, but heavily camped by Triglavian aligned players if on a commonly travelled route. Niarja is extremely deadly.


While you are not given a visual warning at a gate, there are areas in game which highlight when a system is in a Final Liminality state.

If you look at the Solar System information, it shows two downwards facing red arrows against the security level.

If you look at the system in the Client Map it shows the same symbol. (Although who uses the client map?)

It also shows a Red upside-down Triangle on a Route, again with the red downward arrows displayed near the name if it is the next system you are travelling too.

It also shows the system listed in the Triglavian section of the Agency.

BUT – this might not be entirely accurate for researching far away systems. If I look at the Fortress systems, I am shown 32 results.

The Kybernaut site however lists 48 systems.

I presume there is a limit on the number shown in the Agency. I am guessing you just get shown the closest 32 systems.


Aside a lack of notification at a Gate, if you are cautious there are enough in-game methods to check if you are about to jump into a Final Liminality system.  It is a different story for the Minor Victor systems.

Kybernaut reports 26 Minor Triglavian and 58 Minor Edencom systems. These are not shown in the Agency. There is no mention in the Solar System Information Dialog. It uses the same icon in the Route as the Edencom Fortress systems.

(The above route passes through two Fortress systems and one Triglavian Minor Victory system.)

I think – unless you go outside of the EVE Client, you will not know you are jumping into one of those nasty Triglavian gate camps I noted above – until you are in the middle of it.

I presume that is a deliberate decision by CCP. They seem convinced that losing ships converts players into long term payers – so I guess that is behind this approach.  I don’t think it is particularly fair, and I don’t think it is particularly fun.  (I am not sure at the moment CCP cares enough about either.)

So – just roaming around exploring or travelling any sort of distance in Hi-Sec is notably more dangerous – and will likely get more so as the Invasions progress.  This has all sorts of ramifications to exploration / escalations / shopping purchases / trading / Epic Arc or Distribution Missions / any mission close to an invaded system and so on.  Any time you arrive at the gate of an invaded system, you will need to ensure you understand exactly what status it is in – which will likely require using a third party site.


I did read comments that the Triglavians will attack pilots with neutral or negative standings, and Edencom will only attack pilots with negative standings.  It was also remarked a number of times that it is possible to get a small standing for the Triglavians while still not being shot at by Edencom.  That would mean you no longer need to worry about NPC’s in any of those systems.  The risk is it is an inadvertent situation that CCP will “Fix” at a later date.  There is also the question of Wormholes.  Do the Triglavian’s camp Wormholes in invaded systems?  Lots more to try and understand.



I have been trapped in Amarr selling off assets. I would normally use my Industry Alt for such a task, but I let her lapse into an Alpha state.

This has meant my Main Pilot has had to hang around, researching values, putting up hundreds of different types of items on market or contract, and repricing as required.

It has been quite a painful chore and sucked up my time for many weeks.

I am almost at the point of being able to relocate my entire home quickly, but I am not quite there yet.

Today I undocked to do something else for a change.

One of the ships I want to keep is my Porpoise (ORE Industrial Command Ship). The problem is its size. At 400,000m3, it fills an Orca’s Ship Maintenance Bay by itself.

What I am probably going to do is allocate it a jump clone and shift it around separately to the rest of my assets. Setting up that jump clone was on my To Do list and my goal for the day.

I have a bunch of clones around Tasabeshi, so I jumped to one I had no other use for, and then ducked over to Jita. It ended up being an unusually blingy clone. Probably not the smartest of ideas given Triglavian’s can pod kill.

While at Jita I set up another Pacifier (Covert Ops) to bring back to Amarr. I am thinking of using them for my Fast Shuttle needs instead of Maledictions. The Pacifier warps faster, has more cargo space, can use a Covert Ops Cloak, and has more usable refit options than the Malediction does, at least in Hi-Sec.

I returned from Jita to Amarr via the long way – some 44 odd Jumps. It was relatively quick in the sped-up Pacifier, even with a couple pauses to research Invaded systems.

[ 2020.09.05 09:53:10 ] (None) Undocking from Jita IV – Moon 4 – Caldari Navy Assembly Plant to Jita solar system.
[ 2020.09.05 10:23:11 ] (notify) Requested to dock at Amarr VI (Zorast) – Moon 2 – Theology Council Tribunal station

This trip is where I realised I have been docked up too long, and not paying as much attention as I should have. Embarrassingly so.

I had noticed that the Invasion information in the Agency did not always add up, and I had travelled through nearby Edencom Fortress systems and found them still flagged as Invasion sites. On my way back from Jita I ran into Minor Victory Invasion Systems, which are not mentioned in the Agency.

These are invaded systems, but neither side (for some reason I do not understand) came out fully victorious. In a Minor Victory system both Triglavians and Edencom maintain a presence – with each having sites spawn, but the victors also roam and possibly deploy sentry towers.

And herein lies a problem. I am not sure how to identify in game who the Minor Victors are.

You can see an invaded system in the route planner.

In the above route you have

. Barira – Edencom Fortress
. Sasta – Edencom Fortress
. Jark – Edencom Fortress
. Aldik – Triglavian Minor Victory

They all look the same, they all give you warnings of invasions before you jump into them – but only one here is a danger to me. And a danger they are – with plenty reports of pilots being killed in tanky or quick to warp ships to Triglavian Sentry Tower or roaming fleets.

There is a third-party website that lists the status of invaded systems – although it does not appear to be fully up to date.


It helps – but as more and more systems fall, it is going to become a shitfest to workout where you can travel safely.  I’m not sure my concept of moving around in Orca’s is going to work.  Is the answer to go sit in an Edencom Fortress System?

I am starting to feel more trapped than I was before!  More research is needed.